The Savage Curtain


The Savage Curtain

Four of the worst villains in history square off against Kirk, Spock, Surak the Vulcan and Abraham Lincoln in the – theoretically – ultimate battle of good versus evil. All of this for the benefit of a race of aliens that really doesn’t get the whole good and evil thing. Which side will prevail? Find out when we put The Savage Curtain in the Mission Log.

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  • Trivia : ( from memory alpha ) Robert “Bob” Herron served as a stunt double for Jeffrey Hunter in the first Star Trek pilot, “The Cage” ! and also appeared, uncredited, as an Enterprise crew member named Sam in TOS: “Charlie X”. He later played the Excalbian recreation of the legendary Kahless the Unforgettable in this episode .

  • Safraz Hosein

    What’s the name of the outro used for the podcast?

  • Patrick

    I was wondering, when listening to the focus on “good vs. evil” of this episode, whether the villains would’ve been radically different if it had been, say, the crew of Voyager who encountered the Excalbians… for example, would it have possibly been Andrew Jackson as part of the villains if Chakotay’s mind was probed? Or could Abraham Lincoln have been a villain if the person whose mind was probed was a Confederate sympathizer?
    My point is “good” and “evil” as taken from the mind of an individual, as both the episode AND the podcast indicate, is an inherently subjective thing.

    • Seems that absolutely it would play out that way – and as for Chakotay’s mind, maybe his concept of “evil” or “the enemy” would be different depending on when that avatar was created.

      • Pancho planet

        I think that a better fit for Shatner would have been Sir John A McDonald.

  • Endocrom .

    The Excalbian was named Yarnek… kenraY!

    Ken Ray is a rock man!

    • wry observer of folly

      And here I thought he was secretly a robot.

  • Low Mileage Pit Woofie

    Another excellent analysis – though I’m surprised you were confused over whether or not the Excalbians had learned a lesson (and if the avatars were self-aware or not). At the end, after Team Evil (I love that name!) run off, Rocky wants an explanation:

    “You have failed to demonstrate to me any other difference between your philosophies. Your good and your evil use the same methods, achieve the same results. Do you have an explanation?”
    “You established the methods and the goals.”
    “For you to use as you chose.”
    “What did you offer the others if they won?”
    “What they wanted most. Power.”
    “You offered me the lives of my crew.”
    “I perceive.”

    Now, as to the choice of opponents: pretty poor. Kahless was nothing like the one we would know later (but then he could be based on Kirk’s paltry knowledge of the Klingon character). I’m assuming that Zora was plucked from Spock’s mind, given her scientifically unethical actions would offend him. Genghis Khan’s a name that gets thrown around a lot in any list of dictators, and though he did kill many he was more worthy of admiration than a later Khan that the Enterprise crew will be seen fawning over.

    As for Green, I’m assuming that the only reason that the obvious choice, Hitler, wasn’t used was because it was way too soon to have him on the screen (even if we did have a planet of Nazis not that long ago on the show).

    Still, it was nice to see Genghis Khan and Lincoln back together again later with Bill and Ted 🙂